{"id":190,"date":"2015-06-21T22:08:16","date_gmt":"2015-06-21T22:08:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/primarywater.org\/?p=190"},"modified":"2015-06-23T14:19:00","modified_gmt":"2015-06-23T14:19:00","slug":"water-shortage-hoax-explained-what-is-primary-water-interview-with-dr-stephan-riess-in-1985","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/primarywater.org\/?p=190","title":{"rendered":"WATER SHORTAGE HOAX EXPLAINED &#8211; What is &#8220;primary&#8221; water? Interview with Dr. Stephan Riess in 1985"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"ecxMsoNormal\"><i>This video is a must watch for anyone concerned with the question is there really a shortage of water in California, and elsewhere? According to Dr. Stephan Riess and many others there is NO Shortage of Water. Primary water is plentiful and renewable.\u00a0 Watch this rare interview to find out more. \u00a0After watching this go to <a href=\"https:\/\/primarywater.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">www.PrimaryWater.org<\/a> and HELP spread the Water Action Alert &#8211; 1\/2 page double sided flyers about the REAL science of water &#8211; hand them out far and wide . . . Be part of the SOLUTION!<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"ecxMsoNormal\"><b><i>What is Primary Water? 1985 Interview with Dr. Stephan Riess<\/i>.<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"ecxMsoNormal\">You tube link: <a href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/r3_HUTvPmDk\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/youtu.be\/r3_HUTvPmDk<\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"What is Primary Water? 1985 Interview with Dr. Stephan Riess\" width=\"550\" height=\"413\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/r3_HUTvPmDk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"ecxMsoNormal\"><i>Dr. Stephan Riess in 1985.<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"ecxMsoNormal\">TRANSCRIPTION OF YOUTUBE:<\/p>\n<p class=\"ecxMsoNormal\">WHY WE DO NOT HAVE A WATER SHORTAGE<br \/>\nWE HAVE PRIMARY WATER<br \/>\nWHAT IS PRIMARY WATER?<br \/>\n1985 Interview with Stephan Riess \u2013 YouTube Transcription<\/p>\n<p>The Primary Water Institute and Primary WaterWorks Present<br \/>\nDr. Stephen Riess on Primary Water<br \/>\nThe Last Interview<br \/>\nSeptember 22, 1985<br \/>\nWith Dr. Wayne Weber and Ross Frazier<br \/>\nIn Escondido, California<br \/>\nThe term Primary Water was coined by the late Dr. Stephen<br \/>\nRiess, the geophysicist who independently discovered its existence<br \/>\nand pioneered its development, beginning in the 1930s until his<br \/>\ndeath in December 1985.<br \/>\n\u201cMy discovery was put to a field test by locating and drilling many<br \/>\nwells. The records to date from these tests is 70 producing wells<br \/>\nout of 72 attempts, all drilled in hard rock, all located in<br \/>\ndistressed areas generally considered unproductive.\u201d (Dr. Stephen<br \/>\nRiess, 1954)<br \/>\nPrimary water is a little known renewable resource that originates<br \/>\ndeep within the earth. When conditions are right, oxygen combines<br \/>\nwith hydrogen to make new water.<br \/>\nThis water is constantly being pushed up toward the surface under<br \/>\ngreat pressure. The water finds its way towards the surface<br \/>\nthrough fissures or faults. Depending on the geology, primary<br \/>\nwater can be accessed close to the surface, or even flow out as a<br \/>\nspring.<br \/>\nPrimary water has never been a part of the hydrologic cycle until it<br \/>\nfinally arrives at the surface. Traditional hydrologic cycle water is<br \/>\nfinite and volumes fluctuate relative to available rain and snowmelt.<br \/>\nPrimary water is renewable and plentiful regardless of the<br \/>\nweather.<br \/>\nThis priceless interview from 1985 of Dr. Stephen Riess is<br \/>\npresented in its entirety regardless of camera movement and<br \/>\ncolorful language.<br \/>\nMeaning of Dike or Dyke in Geology:<br \/>\nhttps:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/?title=Dike_(geology)<br \/>\nA dike or dyke in geological usage is a sheet of rock that formed in a fracture in a pre-existing rock<br \/>\nbody. However, when the new rock forms within and parallel to the bedding of a layers rock, it is<br \/>\ncalled a sill. It is a type of tabular or sheet intrusion, that either cuts across layers in a planar wall<br \/>\nrock structures, or into a layer or unlayered mass of rock.[1]<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: This is Escondido, Sunday the 22nd of September 1985 and we\u2019re<br \/>\ntaking instruction from Dr. Stephen Riess, an eminent earth scientist at his home<br \/>\nin Escondido, high on a rock promontory overlooking the valley and showing<br \/>\nmassive protrusions of granite boulders all around. Stephen Riess is a very<br \/>\ncontroversial scientist and has extensive knowledge worldwide in the finding of<br \/>\nwater.<br \/>\nTurning to address Dr. Stephen Riess . . . Do you have any immediate finds in<br \/>\nEscondido in the last three or four months?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes we\u2019ve been successful in drilling some very good wells and it<br \/>\nhappens that both locations are on the highest parts in the county. A thousand<br \/>\nfeet higher than the pump stations for the water supply from the water resources<br \/>\ndepartment. And the cost of pumping it from there, these stations, the river<br \/>\nwater from Sacramento up into these reservoirs here is $93 an acre foot in power<br \/>\nbills and it is poor quality water. So the point now is that this water wells can<br \/>\nproduce the water for $20 pumping cost instead of $93 to lift it from the pipeline<br \/>\nbelow up to the surface.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And with no carrying of silt or anything of that nature.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No. It\u2019s clean water.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The water here is very pure water, isn\u2019t it?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It\u2019s exceptionally good. It\u2019s usually about one-third of the mineral<br \/>\ncontent of the prevailing Colorado River water.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: This is because you\u2019re extracting primary water from very deep.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: This is because it is primary water obtained below the crust and is in<br \/>\nthe non-oxidizing zone.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So this is not being oxidized?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And it is not picking up contaminants.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It does not dissolve or pick up any contaminants and therefore it is<br \/>\nsuperior water. It does not need any more cleaning or pre-treatment for the<br \/>\ndistribution system.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And you don\u2019t have any, or very little if any, radiation?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Well, there may be fast dissolving radon which is about one day<br \/>\nlifetime in the water in the reservoir.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And radon will not be a really factor here.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No, it is no factor at all.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Because it\u2019s decay is so rapid.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right now. And in itself is not very serious.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It wouldn\u2019t be anywhere near the contaminants that could be<br \/>\npicked up as a result of surface testing of nuclear weapons.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Naturally, that is the point. When they are talking about claiming<br \/>\nwaters, bad waters, which are already bad at the origin from the faucet and then<br \/>\ngoing to the industrial and whatever uses there are and then go through the<br \/>\nsewage lines, the retreating is absolute insanity.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It is not necessary because . . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It\u2019s ridiculous. An article that I got in the paper here before me today is<br \/>\ntalking about treating two hundred million gallons of sewage for re-use. Now<br \/>\nwho in the Devil would want to use sewage water again?<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It\u2019s unnecessary.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Absolutely unnecessary.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Your water supplies literally are limitless.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Naturally, they\u2019re limitless. They claim that the water is from the<br \/>\nsurface seeped in over long periods of time into the rock structure. Itself an<br \/>\nimpossibility. Absolutely.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It didn\u2019t go down through impervious rock.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Neither below the zone of oxidization. The pressure there is too high<br \/>\nfor water to continue. Rock is twice the pressure or the weight from water itself.<br \/>\nAnd water is incompressible. Absolutely incompressible. Rock is more<br \/>\ncompressible than water. This is the standard knowledge that we have had for a<br \/>\nlong time.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Incompressibility of water has been known for many years.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s why it is used in the industries for pressure checking. And to talk<br \/>\nabout reclaiming water from sewage use for public demand, why it\u2019s ridiculous.<br \/>\nAbsolutely unnecessary. Absolutely.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So that the water, even the best water, can be obtained out of the<br \/>\nwater cycle, is by all standards poor grade water related to the water that you are<br \/>\nfinding below the surface of this granite.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s right. Once the rainwater hits the ground it immediately starts<br \/>\nto absorb contaminants. Always<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: All the soluble elements that can be absorbed will be absorbed into<br \/>\nit. All the contaminants that the precipitation washes out of the atmosphere on<br \/>\nthe way down through to the earth.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Absolutely, absolutely . . . and accumulates. It\u2019s the rub of it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Now as a health matter, for public and personal health, water is<br \/>\nabsolutely an essential ingredient for health, isn\u2019t it?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Not only that but for the existence of life on the planet, whether it\u2019s<br \/>\nanimal life, human life or vegetation.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: But all the water that is on the planet at the moment that fills the<br \/>\noceans ultimately, or primarily, has been generated from the source that you\u2019re<br \/>\nfinding now. Is that not so?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: All the water that is now coming to the surface by deep well drilling<br \/>\nmay be a million years underground old.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And the salinization, also the complexity of sea water, is the result<br \/>\nof soluble elements being taken out of surface water and being washed into the<br \/>\nocean.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Which had to come into the ocean by run-off by rain. It couldn\u2019t be<br \/>\nthere any other way. No question about it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: That is referred to generally as cycle water, or water that has gone<br \/>\nthrough the evaporation, cloud formation, precipitation and the flow back into<br \/>\nthe ocean via the rivers.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Why science, and the teaching today of science has ignored the<br \/>\npresence of about 1,500 big wells or springs in the world that go from 10,000 to<br \/>\n200,000 gallons a minute constantly . . .<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Back into antiquity.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Way back, and are actually 8,000, 7,000, 500, 9,000 feet elevation<br \/>\nusually in the granitic system. It is not explained. We have two wells in America,<br \/>\nor springs in America, that produce 800 million daily. One is in Missouri and the<br \/>\nother is in the desert in western Oregon. The one in Oregon, the western desert<br \/>\nof Oregon, is producing the Day River. So, where did it come from? If that was<br \/>\nrainwater, all the rain in the state of Oregon on an annual precipitation wouldn\u2019t<br \/>\nflow that spring one month a year.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: That river (the Day River) flows twelve months a year.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yeah. But it\u2019s flowing twelve months, yeah.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: We talked a little earlier about some of the chemical<br \/>\ndifferentiations and compositions of the rock involved with the specific location of<br \/>\nthe wells that you\u2019ve been drilling. Can you elaborate on that a little more?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right. The main thing is if you study your structure. If you have<br \/>\nvolcanic debris from the earlier tertiary period maybe, or even earlier, like here in<br \/>\nthis country, this here is 50 million years old before it came out of the ocean.<br \/>\nThere we have contamination produced by the decomposition. The minerals fall<br \/>\napart. They dissolve. Whether it is copper, lead, zinc, or whatever the minerals<br \/>\nare, aluminum, they get into the ocean and then you find them all in the water<br \/>\nwhere there is high chlorine you get a high chlorinated water, and often so bad, it<br \/>\nis absolutely unusable. But in every event it is very, very damaging to human life,<br \/>\nto plant life, and harmful.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: You\u2019re speaking in terms of ground water at this point?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes, ground water. But when you go and consider those very big, deep<br \/>\nsources of water, usually coming in as springs on high mountain systems<br \/>\nworldwide, and usually are a lake, and a big lake at times, then we end up dealing<br \/>\nwith something that could never come from the precipitation cycle because it just<br \/>\nisn\u2019t available. Never was. You can\u2019t get precipitation water on a steep mountain<br \/>\nrange more than about one inch of water per foot of land. And if you have a ten<br \/>\ninch rain you have about ten inch of every saturated ground. Then it is all over<br \/>\nbecause there\u2019s nothing going down below twenty or thirty feet.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Certainly not your impervious granite.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Not even through the soil.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Not even through the clay.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No. Couldn\u2019t. It\u2019s impossible.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So it runs off on the surface and picks up more contamination as it<br \/>\ngoes.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: And out she goes into the ocean and that\u2019s the damn trouble that they<br \/>\nare getting it here when it\u2019s damaged and ruined if they drill it with very shallow<br \/>\nholes. If that rain water gets off and gets into the valley, through highly porous<br \/>\nsand and gravel, of course it sinks, and they call that the water table, which it is.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It sinks through bedrock but only to the top of bed.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Just the basin. It\u2019s basin water. That\u2019s all there is to it. And it is<br \/>\naccumulated for centuries. Now we are pumping it away at about nine times the<br \/>\nrate of precipitation. And it is ridiculous. I\u2019ve seen a report here today in the<br \/>\npaper where they\u2019re talking about treating 200 million gallons of sewage daily in<br \/>\nthis county.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Yes, you mentioned that before.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes, well there it is in the newspaper.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: As opposed to the system of the ground water in the ground<br \/>\nwater table, we were speaking earlier also about the water coming from the earth<br \/>\nin the form of steam as you mentioned earlier, and you had indicated that as this<br \/>\ncomes in the form of steam, basically condensing. And so it condenses and<br \/>\ncomes up through the fractures at that point. Could you elaborate a little bit<br \/>\nmore on some of the other chemical changes that occur as the steam is coming<br \/>\nup and the water is clearing itself.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The steam generally reduces one percent of its volume to a heavy<br \/>\nmoist condition of heavy saturated air and then it usually is locked in with the<br \/>\nmetals and the minerals and remains there for an unexplainable length of time.<br \/>\nBut eventually it is liberated . . . the whole system. Eventually the water will<br \/>\ndissolve any substance on this planet, no matter what it is. Everything is soluble<br \/>\nwhether it is land, rock, gold, silver, metals, whatever, it will dissolve it. That\u2019s all<br \/>\nthere is to it. And then you have it in solution. You can analyze the sea water<br \/>\nright now and you will find practically everything in it that we have in form of<br \/>\nsolids.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Every soluble element is in sea water, virtually.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: There\u2019s no question about that. But, on the other hand, if you then<br \/>\nrecognize that photosynthesis, which is just plant life, the grasses, the trees,<br \/>\neverything that is green and living consumes 600 billion gallons daily worldwide,<br \/>\nthat\u2019s enough water to empty the last gallon of water in the ocean in less than 3<br \/>\nmillion years. So what about the rest of it? Ever since the tertiary period, 15-16<br \/>\nmillion years ago, the ocean has raised by one-third of its total capacity.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: As a result of production of this primary water which you are now<br \/>\nextracting.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Damn right. It is breaking out and it is showing up. I have a record of<br \/>\n915 springs and they go over 10,000 to 200,000, and a larger proportion of them,<br \/>\nsome of them go into the millions of gallons daily. And usually springs are at the<br \/>\nhigh point of the mountain range. Not in the canyons.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: Have you ever done any analysis of the type of structures<br \/>\nwhere these springs are located.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Oh naturally. I\u2019m locating them on this basis. If I know that<br \/>\ncrystallography and mineralogy, then I know that I can depend on that good<br \/>\nwater on drilling.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: And the crystallography and the mineralogy would indicate to<br \/>\nyou which areas are contiguous with what would go into the magma. How does<br \/>\nthat relate, for example, if you have a dyke, are springs usually connected to a<br \/>\ndyke?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Always on a contact zone whether the dyke has surfaced or not. But it<br \/>\nhas to be a surface zone. Now the point is, what people ignore, I can go over a<br \/>\nthousand acres of land, say a whole section on these ranges (mountain ranges)<br \/>\nand I find variations from 5 to 10 different variations within one mile,<br \/>\nmineralogically and petrographically. The ordinary person doesn\u2019t even<br \/>\nrecognize it.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: Are you talking about surface structure or actual dyke<br \/>\nstructure.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Dykes. There I can determine directly whether I have contact to the<br \/>\nmagma. The water has to come from the magma.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: But because of the mineralogy and petrology of the dyke then<br \/>\nyou can say this indeed is something that is in contact with the magma.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes and the metals contained therein. In an analysis of what minerals<br \/>\nare involved.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: Primarily the sulfite group.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Then I know I\u2019m right and I can dare to drill a well and expect some<br \/>\nreally good water.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: So you might have a situation where you have one dyke here<br \/>\nand another dyke over there and the mineralogy would be different enough that<br \/>\none would have water connected but not the other.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes. Not a hundred feet away on the other side of the dyke.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: In general would you see one dyke connected to water here<br \/>\nand other dykes in close proximity that are not connected to water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes. I would say there are water flowing or water containing dykes and<br \/>\nnon-water containing dykes. The dyke itself doesn\u2019t have the water but did at<br \/>\none time and are carriers. Mineralization produced the water as the<br \/>\nmineralization intruded. Say a pound of copper or a pound of zinc might have had<br \/>\nmillions of gallons of water depositing it. Millions. Read that book from<br \/>\nSaltzman. We had figured out how many gallons of water it takes for one pound<br \/>\nof borax. Borax is an unknown element prior to 50 million years ago. And the<br \/>\nbiggest deposit apparently has been Kramer, Colorado. But that is tertiary.<br \/>\nThat\u2019s the latest mineralization on this planet.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: So if you have a dyke that you feel is a water former because<br \/>\nof the rock analysis the reason that water is still coming today is that it is still in<br \/>\ndirect contact with the magma but that would generally be somewhere 1,000 or<br \/>\n2,000 feet down.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Oh sure. Twenty, fifty.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: How do you know that you have a dyke here with the proper<br \/>\nmineralization . . .?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: By the debris. By what the debris is showing on the dyke. That\u2019s the<br \/>\nmineralogy of it.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: I understand that. But once you have that, how do you<br \/>\ndecide then and what is the basic principle that you are going on as to how to get<br \/>\nwater from that dyke or near it?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: What is the other side of the dyke analyzing? Maybe ten feet away and<br \/>\nI\u2019m out of it. I\u2019ve got to follow the contact zone whatever the incline or dip is.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: And then you would drill the well, for example, you have a<br \/>\ndyke coming in from ninety degrees right here.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: If the dyke shows here (at the surface) it doesn\u2019t mean a thing, I have<br \/>\nto drill (pointing at Wayne\u2019s elbow) here (high above the lower angle of the dyke<br \/>\ndeeper under the surface).<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Because here (showing deep below the surface) is where your<br \/>\nfracture zone is. That dyke is here because there was a fracture of the granite<br \/>\nplate. The displaced fractures are in the elbow and not in the<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It\u2019s a displacement fracture.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Those fractures are allowing that steam which is creating the water<br \/>\ncoming up from the magma to be there at all.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s the passage way. The steam is way below. The steam is five to<br \/>\nten miles down.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: But the steam is the pressure that keeps the water up in those<br \/>\nfractures.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right, right.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The bottom pressure is continuous. This is a continuous process. It<br \/>\ndoesn\u2019t have any end to it, does it?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No, no. Science is slowing admitting it. There are 28 universities now<br \/>\npetitioning the government to put up eight million immediately to start drilling<br \/>\n15,000 foot holes to capture the steam. The steam means not a damn thing.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: But their saying and admitting that there is steam there as primary<br \/>\nsteam, but they are denying that it is primary water. If I\u2019m not incorrect, steam is<br \/>\nwater in another form.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Naturally.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: We\u2019ve been saying this for forty years.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Since I came out of school.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Now in connection with your work in the mining field, you found<br \/>\nvirtually invariably that when you got to a certain depth in these deep mines that<br \/>\nyou would hit this water that you\u2019re describing and it would flood the mine out.<br \/>\nThat\u2019s one case when you didn\u2019t want that beautiful primary water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That is correct.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Because it was destroying the whole operation.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: I learned what to look for not to tap caught in it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Yes. And you learned that that water was perfectly usable because I<br \/>\nunderstand that at one time you carried some of it for the camp cook and he was<br \/>\nastonished at how good the water was.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That is correct. But I had to learn mining to learn how not to get into<br \/>\none of those streaks.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And this is how you found to watch the minerals.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The minerals, and the metals and the content.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: When you got in and saw these things you knew that water was<br \/>\nclose.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: On the given volcanic debris. See, but not usually very crystal, not very<br \/>\nsolid, not crystalized properly, but more fractured, broken, poor and weathered.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: You would see this on your mine cup.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Oh yes. Then I know I have a deep seated fracture.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And on the basis of that, you can go in another direction or stay<br \/>\naway from the major water coming up.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Once you\u2019re down in an area 4,000-5,000 feet the water pressure is so<br \/>\nhigh it comes through the moment you get near it.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: Have you ever actually seen water just flowing through these<br \/>\nfissures?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Oh, sure. Certainly.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: You may have this water in these fissures under pressures up to<br \/>\n600-700 pounds, 1,000 pounds per square inch.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes, yes.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: With the steam pressure pushing it.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No, there\u2019s no more steam. That\u2019s already too far down below.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The pressure of the steam is still there.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The head is still there. Plus the weight of the formation is hitting<br \/>\nincompressible material. So the water being half as heavy as the material that\u2019s<br \/>\nholding it, which is incompressible, it has got to come through.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It must be forced through anyway.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The least little crevices and through it goes and once it has a runway it<br \/>\ncomes through.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: This is the principle of the hydraulic system.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Absolutely. There\u2019s no question about it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The instant pressure is placed on one end of a hydraulic system it is<br \/>\ninstantly at the other end because of the incompressibility of the water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Absolutely. I\u2019ve seen that water come in so fast it isn\u2019t funny.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So when you free that one end, the total pressure that\u2019s there is<br \/>\ngoing to flood the whole area.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The whole area. I\u2019ve been drilling into those things and pulled the drill<br \/>\nrig out of the mine, and the boys pulled the rig out and got hit by a heavy spray of<br \/>\nwater. Just like a high pressure hose right in the face . . . a little drill hole (making<br \/>\na small hole with his hand to illustrate small size).<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And continues to come out until the mine is flooded and you can\u2019t<br \/>\nsee it anymore.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It never stops until it finds its pressure level.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: When the weight of the water and the pressure are equal it stays<br \/>\nthere.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Now the last big discovery was in Africa in one of the big gold mines I<br \/>\nhappen to own stock in. They went from 5,300 feet level to 8,300 feet level<br \/>\nthrough the shaft. Down, down, down. Hit the water and out! Eight-seven<br \/>\nmillion gallons of water a day and it came up to 5,000 feet in the mine and stayed<br \/>\nthere.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So this water that you\u2019re finding in these deep crevices is<br \/>\ncontinuously trying to seek an equilibrium in its pressure.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s right. And if you find it fairly solid in your material you shoot<br \/>\nthrough, watch it. If you keep on going, you\u2019ve just lost her. She\u2019s bound to come<br \/>\nin.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And there is no such a thing as exhausting the water supply because<br \/>\nit\u2019s continuously being born.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No. It\u2019s absolutely impossible or there would be no water on the<br \/>\nplanet. The daily loss of water on this planet by each blade of grass, by every<br \/>\nvegetation, everything alive means there would be no water in the oceans in less<br \/>\nthan 3 million years.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So many years ago you forecast that the oceans, when they get<br \/>\ndown to find it and were able to test it, would have massive amounts of fresh<br \/>\npotable water in the bottoms.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: I kept telling them that. That\u2019s the only source of water we could have.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And now when they go to find the Titanic at 12,800 feet, they\u2019re<br \/>\nfinding just what you said.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right. The last Scripps expedition that they had, 12,000 feet in the<br \/>\nPacific they found a 3-inch spring flowing beautiful fresh water and a little ways<br \/>\naway a spring, or whatever it is, 700 degree steam.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: Now why is that, Steve? Why does one have fresh water and<br \/>\none has steam?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Different source, different connection, different dyke.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: Like you were talking about before, dykes. One dyke here<br \/>\nand one dyke there.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: My three wells in Idaho, they\u2019re less than 200 feet apart, all of them,<br \/>\nand each one has different chemistry. And each one is a big well, big flowing<br \/>\nwater, but not the same water. High class water but the chemistry is different in<br \/>\neach one of them.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: So the root of this dyke, these different various dykes, is going<br \/>\ndown at a different angle. They\u2019re all connected with the magma.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They have to be.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: I guess what I still don\u2019t understand is why one dyke here and<br \/>\none 100 feet away, going to the same source, one would be highly sulfide,<br \/>\nmineralized water, hot water . . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They don\u2019t go to the same source. They\u2019re different (makes a<br \/>\nmovement with his hands to show different directions that are opposite).<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The fissures are all different.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They come in on that last extrusion.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: You\u2019re working with the top of the fissures.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And the fissures are at an angle so as they proceed down through<br \/>\nthe 25 miles there are miles of probable base.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They split away. They split from the top down and out.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: What you really have is a big chunk of granite that\u2019s been fractured<br \/>\nlike that (hand motion) as a result of volcanic action.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Not the granite. Granite is preceded by volcanic rock. Granite is a<br \/>\ncrystalized sedimentary, mostly ocean.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: What is it that is fractured below then?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The basic debris which is what we call the plutonic rocks.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Sub-granite material.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They are way below the granite source. They\u2019re below the basalt. That<br \/>\nMeyer drill never hit the granite. Never. We didn\u2019t intend to either. There are a<br \/>\nfew big granite blocks like this laying on top but they never were there originally.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So what type of material is he going down through?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Volcanic debris. All kinds of mixture. This is nothing positive. You<br \/>\ncan\u2019t classify it as this or that or the other. It\u2019s just a mish-mash.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: A volcanic sedimentary that has probably been there for<br \/>\nmillions of years.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: For millions of years. A volcanic conglomerate but no crystalline<br \/>\nstructure.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: You\u2019ve intersected the fault lines . . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The contact zone. And that\u2019s where that water is migrating on.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: What I still don\u2019t understand, Steve, is why you have this<br \/>\nmassive fissure system down there with the branches coming off of it and why,<br \/>\ngoing back to the hydrothermal vents coming off the bottom of the ocean are so<br \/>\ndifferent?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They\u2019re coming from a different source. They have a different outlet.<br \/>\nThat is not the source there for the water. This one may come from over there.<br \/>\nThis one from half a mile in. But they\u2019re all different and wind up in this outflow<br \/>\nstructure which was created by the gases under volcanism.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: They converge at the top but they are dispersed at the bottom.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Completely.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: And the reason one is fresh water, potable, drinkable source<br \/>\nis that it depends on which rock formation it goes through.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Naturally.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: As opposed to the one that is highly mineralized.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: How long it\u2019s been locked up under what type of metallic structure. If<br \/>\nit\u2019s in the rock with about 500 or 1,000 or 10,000 years, it dissolves the minerals.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: So the water that you were able to intersect is . . . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Condensed steam originally.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: I guess what I don\u2019t understand is why that condensed steam<br \/>\nin some areas is mineralized and other areas it is not. Where it\u2019s not mineralized<br \/>\nthe minerals precipitated out . . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The steam comes through a highly mineralized fissure and you\u2019ve got<br \/>\nbad water.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: What determines that?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The dissolving of the minerals. Water has a terrific quality of<br \/>\ndissolvement. Some is fresh flowing and clean. Others is locked up for thousands<br \/>\nof years under a metallic structure. So there it is.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The leaching process has had a very long time with which to act and<br \/>\nthe water now. You\u2019ve got what we call pregnant water there with the minerals<br \/>\nthat have leached for many years.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The last report that came out claimed that they have now found water<br \/>\na million years old.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The water that is good has been deposited in something where the<br \/>\nleaching process is very small or where you didn\u2019t have the metals.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The metals come in as a transmutation of the elements. They\u2019re not<br \/>\nmetal when they started out. It\u2019s a constant change. A life cycle of the elements<br \/>\nthemselves which they never considered possible but now they know it is. This<br \/>\nplanet is life. Everything else goes through a cycle like you and I.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The water first then, or the steam, or whatever else leaches out<br \/>\nthese leachable elements, carries it and transmutes it.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Transmutation.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It then deposits the metal up again, way up again.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Where the pressure resists.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And so the metals got there as a result of being carried by water or<br \/>\nsteam.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No other way. As a gaseous state. The outgassing on this planet is<br \/>\nunbelievable.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: The water you let out in these major mines, was most of that<br \/>\ngood quality drinking water or was most of that heavily mineralized.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No, no mineral. When water comes in high volume there is no<br \/>\nmineralization. They were originally, possibly, depositing all the minerals. The<br \/>\ncontinuation they were cleaned. There was no more metal coming.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: So theoretically, would you say that generally you would find<br \/>\nbetter quality water in mineralized mining areas as we know them today?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Deep sources, yes. But not on the surface where it is light. And on the<br \/>\nsurface, the upper 500 feet has got oxygen.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The leaching process is accelerated by oxygen in the water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It\u2019s so simple that while there is a lot to be observed and studied yet,<br \/>\nnature has shown us clearly long, long ago that the source of water is the depth,<br \/>\nnot the sky.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Well, after all, seven-tenths of the earth\u2019s surface is water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: On the surface but not the mass.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The depths of the seas are greater than the depths of the land. We<br \/>\nhave sea depths 36,000 feet.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s only the crust of the earth.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Deeper than Everest is high.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s right.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And the water that you\u2019re speaking of . . . this primary water . . . has<br \/>\nbeen filling these massive basins for trillions of years.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right. And they\u2019re still doing it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: All we\u2019re doing is borrowing a little part of it that went up through<br \/>\nthe earth\u2019s crust on solid land instead of into the bottom of the ocean. And these<br \/>\nwaters are constantly being formed by the process of the magma against the<br \/>\nmaterials at the bottom of the earth\u2019s crust.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The cooling of the earth\u2019s interior. The more cooling proceeds, the<br \/>\nthicker the crust. We find right today that at the high mountain ranges the crust is<br \/>\nshallower than in the deep sea. That\u2019s why we call the Andes the Andes<br \/>\nMountains because the lowest known rock formation is andesite. Andesite,<br \/>\nAndes. And the surface crust there is about 6,000 to 8,000 feet shallower than on<br \/>\nthe ground here in the lowlands.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The thickness of the crust varies enormously around the surface.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: The higher the ranger, the shallower the crust.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: Can you elaborate a bit more on the temperature of the<br \/>\nwater of the wells because of the fact that they\u2019re a little bit higher than normal.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Well, it\u2019s very simple. The ground temperature here is about 56-58<br \/>\ndegrees. Now if I drill water and find it is 78 degrees means that I had 1600 feet<br \/>\nof depth. You gain 1 degree for every 80 feet.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Every 80 feet you go down you gain one degree of heat no matter<br \/>\nwhere you drill on the earth\u2019s surface.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: So when you get 80 degree water you know how far down you\u2019ve<br \/>\ngone. You know the surface which is controlled by climate conditions, sunshine<br \/>\nand light and temperature atmospheric. So say here it is 58, 60s and I drill down<br \/>\n2,000 feet what do I get? I get 10 times 8 is 800 I get 25 degrees higher<br \/>\ntemperature. So I should get 90-95 degrees. And it usually checks out that way.<br \/>\nThe interior heat eventually gets immense.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The well that you drilled in the Sinai Desert in Israel, the scientists<br \/>\nthat were there said that it couldn\u2019t be found there, did they not?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Naturally. If it had not been for Ben Gurion giving instructions that<br \/>\nnobody should question my work or not obey my orders we would have never<br \/>\ndrilled.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: You would have never found it. So Ben Gurion was the one<br \/>\nresponsible for making they obey you, and they knew it too, and you found a well<br \/>\nthere that produced how many gallons per minute?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: About 4,000 per minute but we only pumped about 1,200 or 1,400.<br \/>\nAbout 1,000 gallons a minute.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And how deep was that well?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: 1,150 or 1,200 feet.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: No other water well had been found around that area at all.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No. They drilled a lot of dry holes there.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And the area with water was highly arable, was it not?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Close by, but when I drilled the well it was a deep rocky canyon. But<br \/>\nnearby was the big lands which they put into agriculture.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And as a result of your drilling that well there in Israel and the<br \/>\ntremendous publicity that you got for it, and from it, they got a hold of you in<br \/>\nSaudi Arabia. So you were standing with one foot in both camps, and getting<br \/>\nwater for both.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right. But that\u2019s where it started, you see. The Jewish newspaper<br \/>\nthere, the Jerusalem newspaper, came out big with two pages headline. The look<br \/>\nthat they had to find that beautiful water. But the Arabs could read Hebrew there<br \/>\nand the next day the newspaper in Cairo and everywhere let loose. And the Arabs<br \/>\nthough those b***ards can\u2019t survive, there is no water. They can\u2019t make it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And Saudi Arabia as a result of some of your finds has done some<br \/>\nnatural development.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Naturally but the big trouble was the Jordan River comes out sixty<br \/>\nmiles inside Israel and flows about sixteen miles into Jordan. So the Arabs<br \/>\ncomplained, the Jordanians, when they put 500,000 acres into immediate<br \/>\nagriculture by taking Jordan River to flood the country.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Taking the water anyway from Israel.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Then it went into big arguments. Finally it could only be solved by an<br \/>\ninternational court in Hague. The Jews had the management under control and<br \/>\nsomehow paid off, or whatever it is, and came in with the statement that they<br \/>\ncannot use that well now because it has gone to salt, because it is a mile from the<br \/>\nRed Sea. And they made that thing stick. So the ruling by the international court<br \/>\nwas 50-50 between Jordan and Israel and they had to let that water roll again.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Did they mention the fact that Jacob\u2019s well in Jerusalem had also<br \/>\ngone to salt at the same time as your well?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They got away with the rawest deal.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Jacob\u2019s well went salt at the same time that your well went salt.<br \/>\nAnd was it the same kind of salinity? Like pure water salinity?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They got away with murder.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: But they didn\u2019t pay you for that other than your trip over there and<br \/>\nback.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: I was hired by a bunch of local Jews in Los Angeles.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: You did go to Saudi Arabia and you did find water there for them?<br \/>\nYou found water for them in their sand dunes and their oil fields in the Northeast<br \/>\npart of Saudi Arabia?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes. Near the Persian Gulf. I found good water there too. Saudi Arabia<br \/>\nhas no problem with its land. There\u2019s lots of water in the mountain range, like<br \/>\nhere. Beautiful timber and potable water that can be transported into the desert<br \/>\nregion. Well, they had to go up there finally and get it in jugs out of springs.<br \/>\nThere was no more. The springs had gone sour because they drained it too fast.<br \/>\nAnd King Faisal the first went with me and took me up there. And they had a big<br \/>\ntank in which they dumped their jugs of water. But women there, that was their<br \/>\ndaily chore to bring in this spring water in jugs. It was their chore and fun. And<br \/>\nthey would meet and talk and chat. And we had that water going and I said to the<br \/>\nPrince that you\u2019ve got all that money from your oil you had better pipe that water<br \/>\ninto those houses now. Do away with that unsanitary tank. He said \u201cno\u201d. I said<br \/>\n\u201cwhy\u201d. He said that would be the end of me.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Very unpopular to get rid of their daily recreation.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: He said that if we stop those women from their daily recreation we\u2019ll<br \/>\nhave a revolution we couldn\u2019t win.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And we\u2019re seeing that he was right in America at the moment.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Sure he was right.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: America is proving this to be correct, isn\u2019t it?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Right.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: That\u2019s like the revolution we\u2019re having with our women here at the<br \/>\nmoment.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: He was right, boy.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Trying to change custom is a bad thing to do. And you found this to<br \/>\nbe so in telling the truth about the deep water that you\u2019re finding. The custom is<br \/>\nkilling you.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: I\u2019m in the same vein. He came with me out there because he was so<br \/>\ninterested in lifting his people out of their problem. And he spoke good English,<br \/>\nhe was educated in Oxford, England. And he told me that we are just in the state<br \/>\nwhere we are waking as a country, as a people. It\u2019s gonna be tough.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: When you located the water out there in Saudi Arabia you<br \/>\nsaid you did it out there in the Sand Dunes. Were there any geographical features<br \/>\nto go by?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: This was all basin land over here and that hill over there (pointing) was<br \/>\nthe mountain range and went up there and located a well up in the pine woods,<br \/>\nup in the mountain, which to them was screwy.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: So does this vegetation in very dry areas like this lead you to<br \/>\nthe dykes and the deep water?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It\u2019s deep water. Yes. Hydrogen.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: How do you relate that then to one of the signs to find these<br \/>\nareas?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Sure, deep seeded water. There is three times as much water growing<br \/>\nvegetation than is ever deposited by rain. This is only one-third of the water they<br \/>\ncan get. Remember if you had an inch of rain, it wets that ground one-foot deep<br \/>\naverage.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It moistens the soil to one foot deep. It can\u2019t go anywhere. It\u2019s all<br \/>\nabsorbed by the soil. Like a sponge.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: A ten- inch rain which is an awful heavy rain during a month, the worst<br \/>\nyou can get is 10-12 inch of soil moisture. No more. They claim that no rain has<br \/>\nyet been found to go over 30-feet deep.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: That\u2019s a maximum penetration in even the very wet areas of the<br \/>\nearth, only about 30 feet.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s right.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So the idea that the deep water percolated down from the surface<br \/>\nwater rain is just an absurd suggestion.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Plus the volume.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And the volume. But it would be an absurd suggestion even<br \/>\nignoring the volume. It couldn\u2019t go through that impervious material.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Simply ridiculous. This paper here says 200 hundred million gallons<br \/>\ndown here in San Diego area of sewage daily. Now you multiply that over the<br \/>\npopulation areas. Well there isn\u2019t enough water coming down from Sacramento.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: If enough of the wells that you\u2019re finding were drilled here,<br \/>\nCalifornia could be perpetually independent of water being transported from any<br \/>\nother state.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s what I\u2019m driving at. There\u2019s no question. I\u2019ve got the geological<br \/>\nstructure to do just that. That\u2019s not a problem.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Are you of the opinion that if the politicians had the final say the<br \/>\nworld would still be flat?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: I suppose so. Because 90% are nothing but con men. They just say yes<br \/>\nbecause somebody told them to do so.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And you know for a fact that all of the all of the billions of dollars<br \/>\nthat have been spent bringing water in is merely bringing silt from one place in<br \/>\nthe country to another place.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s right, and made a hell of a lot of money for the big land<br \/>\nspeculation.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Now the water that\u2019s in those canals that is being brought down<br \/>\nfrom the Colorado River is continuously deteriorating water because it\u2019s picking<br \/>\nup soluble elements from the surface as it comes along, isn\u2019t it? At a much more<br \/>\naccelerated rate because the sun or the solar heat is accelerating that<br \/>\nprecipitation.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: And because that water is running in open canals without any concrete<br \/>\nbottom. Forty or fifty percent seeps away on the way. That\u2019s what they claim.<br \/>\nAnd then, of course, evaporation. Naturally. There is no question about that.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So evaporation alone would make that water poor quality.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes. Now the whole thing is absolutely childish. If it wasn\u2019t for the<br \/>\ngreed of some people, ignoring the welfare of anybody and everything, we<br \/>\nwouldn\u2019t be in such a mess. If we had politicians with any brains or brought up<br \/>\nintelligence, or education to be made aware of it couldn\u2019t happen.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Experience has shown that you have to go on your own and not be<br \/>\ninfluenced by political opinions anyway and you\u2019re simply producing beautiful,<br \/>\nclear, potable water out of 2,000 feet below the earth\u2019s surface. Water that could<br \/>\nonly come from the source that you\u2019ve identified many years ago. And, in fact,<br \/>\nyou now have beautiful potable water regardless of what the scientists, the<br \/>\nengineers, the politicians refute the fact. It\u2019s very hard for them to refute the fact<br \/>\nthat your theories are good when they find your water the way it is.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: But that\u2019s a bunch of legislature. Eight out of ten wouldn\u2019t know what<br \/>\nyou\u2019re talking about on water. They\u2019re just told to vote yes, whatever side they\u2019re<br \/>\non.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Maybe they would be better able to help you if it were whiskey you<br \/>\nwere finding.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Oh, they would, sure, providing they found a market for it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Or all that they could not consume themselves and they could find a<br \/>\nmarket for.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: You know, you have to marvel about the welfare of society being so<br \/>\ninsecure when you come right down to it. Extremely insecure. We see that now,<br \/>\nright now, in Mexico today. You take those high rises in Los Angeles, New York, a<br \/>\nhundred and twenty stories. When they collapse there is no chance to get in and<br \/>\nfind anybody under a pile of rubble there.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Our society is very fragile. Delicately balanced.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: And many of those high rises have ten and fifteen thousand people<br \/>\nworking in there every day.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So if the earthquake happens during the middle of a working day . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: You\u2019ll find nobody. Because the pile of rubble is so high you can\u2019t get<br \/>\nin, start digging, or do anything.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And the water systems are destroyed in natural disasters.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: And the gas line breaks underground.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And so the availability of your water would be there regardless of<br \/>\nwhatever earthquakes had occurred or not.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s right.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: And it would even be there if nuclear testing in Russia were<br \/>\naccelerated. It wouldn\u2019t change your water quality at all.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No, no.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: We might survive being on the western side of Russia\u2019s testing area<br \/>\nsimply because of this beautiful potable water that you\u2019re able to produce.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: What they don\u2019t kill off by the explosive.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Yes, but we are the recipient of all the fallout from Russia\u2019s<br \/>\nexperiments because we\u2019re on the western side of it.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: We get the least of it. The Chinese and Africa . . .<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The upper air currents are flowing east of Russia so we\u2019re getting a<br \/>\nlot of their test fallout. But we\u2019re east of Russia and so we\u2019re getting a lot of their<br \/>\ntest fallout, aren\u2019t we?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No. It would have to come all the way around first. Anything from here<br \/>\ngoes the Atlantic and across. When they had the testing here with the nukes,<br \/>\nRussia got the worst. They had over 22,000 dead there. From Asia . . . Northern<br \/>\nSiberia is going to get a big part of it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: In the event of nuclear explosions, this water would remain safe<br \/>\nand potable.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Absolutely. What\u2019s left wouldn\u2019t have anything to worry about. The<br \/>\nonly part that could possibly be contaminated is the lake, the springs and<br \/>\nreservoirs. But you\u2019ll never hurt the deep water. Never reach it. Radiation can\u2019t<br \/>\npenetrate that deep.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Are you able to connect up the early days of your life when you<br \/>\nwent and saw those wells along the castles overlooking the Rhine River.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Well, that\u2019s when I woke up as a youngster about twelve. It impressed<br \/>\nme, that\u2019s all. I realized that it took these people about 50-80 years digging<br \/>\nthrough usually everything like conglomerate, absolute resolidification of<br \/>\nsedimentation, granite. They had a lot of that.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Very solid material and they were digging down through it. Those<br \/>\nwells were dug hundreds of years ago.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Well, the first well was started digging around 930 AD under<br \/>\nCharlemagne. Just about a thousand years ago. And the wells are still<br \/>\ncompletely usable and excellent water. One of the most recent ones was in<br \/>\nEdinburgh, Scotland at the Queen Elizabeth castle up there. That went down<br \/>\nabout 1500 on basalt and around this is salt water high tide and low tide water.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Not affecting it at all. How deep?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: About 1100 or 1200 feet deep way below the level of the salt water.<br \/>\nThe salt water is just a deep marsh. Very shallow. Couldn\u2019t get a deep ship in<br \/>\nthere either, just boats. The water business has to change like a religion and<br \/>\nthat\u2019s hard.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Yes, because deep seated beliefs are deeper than the water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: On the other hand, I begin to see where we cut through the wall. The<br \/>\nneed for water is to our advantage or we wouldn\u2019t have a leg to stand on.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Yes. Like our need for good air and good food.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yes. If it wasn\u2019t for the absolute need, the worry of running out, they<br \/>\nwouldn\u2019t spend billions to put sewage treatment in and everything, but that isn\u2019t<br \/>\nenough.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The surface water that\u2019s being used in certain parts of California<br \/>\nagricultural regions is collecting soluble elements at such a rate and also the<br \/>\nsprays that are being put out (are polluting the surface water).<br \/>\nDr. Riess: It\u2019s ruining agriculture.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The agricultural areas are being destroyed because of this poor<br \/>\ngrade surface water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: A certain area there, I understand that the grapes went sour and they<br \/>\ngot rid of them.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Yes and in another area they were letting the outflow from the<br \/>\nfields which they flooded to irrigate them flow into a marsh and all of the life in<br \/>\nthe marsh was destroyed, so as you predicted, the surface water is not improving<br \/>\nbut getting worse and worse as time goes on. But your water is getting better<br \/>\nand better because it doesn\u2019t have . . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: We are washing it over and over and cycling it and every time it gets<br \/>\ndirtier.<br \/>\nDr. Wayne Weber: One of the solutions that the Department of Water and<br \/>\nPower has to avoid some of the water shortages they want to bring in excess<br \/>\nwater and store it in the wells off the San Fernando Valley. It seems to me that<br \/>\nyou\u2019re just going to be contaminating all that water that you\u2019re going to be<br \/>\nputting into the wells.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Oh sure, the whole thing is silly, absolutely silly. We\u2019ve either got to<br \/>\nstop the population from using it up completely or slow down agriculture.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: The wells that you did for California City which are still hammering<br \/>\naway there at full blast which is almost over twenty years ago, those wells were<br \/>\nproducing beautiful potable water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They still are.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Before you drilled those wells in there they told you there was no<br \/>\nwater available at all.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Well, not only that, they prevented the California City Company from<br \/>\nselling any land or doing any building for five years because of the lack of water.<br \/>\nBecause they have no pipeline. You see they let them fool around with us for two<br \/>\nyears with the city of Los Angeles the metropolitan water to get cut in on that line<br \/>\ncoming down from Bishop. They played around and the lawyers had a good time I<br \/>\nsuppose with meeting after meeting after meeting. Nothing happened. Then we<br \/>\nwent and approached water resources and they said no that they wouldn\u2019t bring<br \/>\nany water in from the Bakersfield area over there. They couldn\u2019t afford it. There<br \/>\nwas not enough demand or income from it.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: It wasn\u2019t economically feasible.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s right. Then I shopped that hole down. I drilled five or six wells<br \/>\nthere and then I put a big one down where the government said the test wells to<br \/>\nthem had proven it an impossibility and that was right out in the center there<br \/>\nwhere the lake is now and the golf course. Naturally, they admitted that.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: How could you have made that lake without water? \u201cOh, it will<br \/>\npump off. You\u2019ve got a small pocket there?\u201d So I argued with the b***stards up<br \/>\nin water resources to send me up there and I said you well know that locked in<br \/>\nwater, closed in water, would immediately disintegrate by all the absorption and<br \/>\ndestruction of all the mineral constituents. \u201cWell, yeah, but there is a lot of it<br \/>\nthere and you get that pretty quick.\u201d So nothing happens there. Then after five<br \/>\nyears they went and sued them in the court. They figured there had been too<br \/>\nmuch publicity on this so they dropped it and gave them a permit to start selling<br \/>\nlots, building homes and what have you.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: They didn\u2019t want to go into court and admit that they had been<br \/>\nwrong if you hadn\u2019t pumped out your water in five years and still fifteen years<br \/>\nlater you\u2019re still pumping water.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: That\u2019s correct. We had water to waste. I had three wells under tap<br \/>\ngoing into the waterfall and the lake and another two for residential and house<br \/>\nuse and whatever there was.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: What quality was that water?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: First class water and still is and had them baffled and has them baffled<br \/>\nyet because it\u2019s against their religion.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Maybe they started baffled, do you think?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Well, they\u2019re very naturally stupid, but this upset them more.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: But it doesn\u2019t upset you to think they\u2019re wrong.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: No. I knew they would be. It\u2019s like you and I trying to convert one of<br \/>\nthose fanatic Muslims that want to drive a truck with explosives in through a gate<br \/>\nor something.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: There are none so blind as those that will not see. And you have<br \/>\nshown these people that in addition to the bumble bee which theoretically can\u2019t<br \/>\nfly, Stephen Riess can find water where there is no water. But the water is there<br \/>\nand it\u2019s flowing and Stephen Riess did find it.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Did I ever give you a report from Jerusalem?<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: No, I\u2019ve never seen that report but you\u2019ve told me about the wells.<br \/>\nYou had a thousand gallons a minute in those wells. But you feel it was entirely a<br \/>\npolitical thing on the Jordan River that made them deny the fact . . .<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Well, they had to.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Well, they felt they had to not tell the truth. But then it was too<br \/>\nlate.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: They had to tell a half-story, not to tell the whole truth. They had to<br \/>\ntell the wells are bad and can\u2019t be depended upon.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: But it was too late because they had already publicized it all over<br \/>\nthe country and it had gotten as far away as Saudi Arabia.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: But several years later they admitted in the United Nation Meeting at<br \/>\nThe Hague in Holland that the wells had gone to salt water, intrusion by the Red<br \/>\nSea. Two years ago, a lawyer in Washington investigated and he saw that I had it<br \/>\nand he used to be a newspaperman in Washington and they told him the whole<br \/>\nstory.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Political influence can do terrible things to the truth and reality.<br \/>\nYou\u2019re continuing, although you independently found it, you\u2019re continuing a<br \/>\ntheory that was started by a Swedish scientist many, many years ago who was<br \/>\nalso nominated for a Nobel Prize.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Yeah, but he died before that. He drilled seventeen holes on the offshore<br \/>\nislands where the light houses were off the coast of Sweden. And in that<br \/>\ncountry they had a big problem to keep the water from freezing in the winter<br \/>\ntime. So he drilled those wells and he invariably hit water in the granite. Now<br \/>\nthey were small little four-inch and six-inch holes, but he proved all of them in his<br \/>\ntheory of the continuity in the tidal water, see? Well, what happened, the<br \/>\nSwedish scientist who was one of the highest ranking geologists in his day, his<br \/>\nfather was the superintendent of the mines in Finland that were mining ore from<br \/>\nunder the ocean beds and they were mining ore from under the ocean beds and<br \/>\nthey had fresh water under the ocean in the land mine. See? So his father kept<br \/>\narguing with him saying, \u201cNow how can we get fresh water under the ocean<br \/>\nsurface? Where does it come from?\u201d And then Otto Nordenskjold, was his name,<br \/>\nhe began to use his brain power and got to working it over.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: He was dead before you developed your science.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: He died in 1904.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So he died many years before you began.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: I knew nothing then. I was born in 1898.<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: So the theory is still as good today as it was then because that<br \/>\nhasn\u2019t changed.<br \/>\nDr. Riess: See what happened when we got finally done and negotiated the damn<br \/>\nthing and got to Salzman, the professor teaching at that time in Los Angeles,<br \/>\nwrote that book with me, he followed me for about two years and the wells I<br \/>\ndrew all over, I didn\u2019t know I had done that many, until lately checking..<br \/>\nRoss Frazier: Eight hundred and some odd wells over how many countries in the<br \/>\nworld? Over fifty countries in the world?<br \/>\nDr. Riess: Something like that. So he came to that information by having two<br \/>\nstudents from Norway at his class do the research for him. And one of them<br \/>\ncame and said, \u201cOh, I read about one of our old time geologists, he was of that<br \/>\nsame opinion and there is a book out on him.\u201d He brought the book in and he<br \/>\ntranslated it. He was a North Pole geologist. Very famous for his North Pole<br \/>\nwork. So, there you are.<br \/>\nFor More Information Visit<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.PrimaryWaterInstitute.org\">www.PrimaryWaterInstitute.org<\/a><br \/>\n501c3<br \/>\nAnd<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.PrimaryWaterWorks.org\">www.PrimaryWaterWorks.org<\/a> LLC<br \/>\nThis is a very important interview of the late Dr. Stephan Riess from 1985 about primary<br \/>\nwater. For more information, please visit the www.primarywaterinstitute.org and<br \/>\nwww.primarywaterworks.com. A free e-book about primary water called New Water<br \/>\nfor a Thirsty World is also available at: www.scribd.com\/doc\/256836924\/New-Waterfor-<br \/>\na-Thirsty-World-by-Michael-H-Salzman. This book is considered to be the bible of<br \/>\nprimary water. A fantastic illustration of primary water versus atmospheric water is<br \/>\navailable at:https:\/\/www.scribd.com\/doc\/269139567\/&#8230;.<br \/>\nThe Primary Water Institute:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.primarywaterinstitute.org\/images\/pdfs\/Primary%20Water%20For%20%20a%20Thirsty%20World_GregO'Neill.pdf\">http:\/\/www.primarywaterinstitute.org\/images\/pdfs\/Primary%20Water%20For<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.primarywaterinstitute.org\/images\/pdfs\/Primary%20Water%20For%20%20a%20Thirsty%20World_GregO'Neill.pdf\">%20a%20Thirsty%20World_GregO&#8217;Neill.pdf<\/a><br \/>\nNew Water for a Thirsty World:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/keychests.com\/item.php?v=klymdybopqk\">https:\/\/keychests.com\/item.php?v=klymdybopqk<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This video is a must watch for anyone concerned with the question is there really a shortage of water in California, and elsewhere? According to Dr. Stephan Riess and many others there is NO Shortage of Water. 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